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that was mostly law enforcement. i'm afraid he's in the boat and he's wounded by those police combat rifles and that he's bleeding out severely and they cannot get to him because of the fear of having a suicide vest on, i'm afraid this terrorist is going to bleed out in the boat and that may be his fate. normally police would rush up, even though he just shot at them and they would apply pressure, tourniquets, life saving ambulance, you can't do that here. what you've got to do is get the robot to go up there, look in there, see if there's a bomb and if there's not try to look around. if there is a bomb, dismantle the bomb. i would say this doesn't bode well for him surviving because if he's bleeding and he's going to be bleeding after that exchange, he's not probably going to last very long. >> let me play it again for everyone who just missed that. this is quite dramatic. here's the shooting apparently of the suspect. [ gunfire ] >> you know, clint van zandt, we've been through a lot of these and it's like from a n
that was mostly law enforcement. i'm afraid he's in the boat and he's wounded by those police combat rifles and that he's bleeding out severely and they cannot get to him because of the fear of having a suicide vest on, i'm afraid this terrorist is going to bleed out in the boat and that may be his fate. normally police would rush up, even though he just shot at them and they would apply pressure, tourniquets, life saving ambulance, you can't do that here. what you've got to do is get the robot...
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law, united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> joining me now, roger cressey, terrorism analyst. roger, want you to listen to something the boston police chief said yesterday on cbs, listen do what ed davis said. >> we have reason to believe based upon the evidence found at that scene, the explosions, the explosive ordinance that was unexploded and fire power that they had that they were going to attack other individuals. >> and roger, just to read from the complaint filed in federal court today specifically what they have in there, two unexploded ieds as well as remnants of numerous exploded ieds, also found in the search of the current suspect's, younger brother's room, they found bee-bees, the pressure cooker, low grade, also find in the search of the abandoned car, intact low grade explosive devices discovered. what do you make of those discoveries in relation to what commissioner davis s
law, united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> joining me now, roger cressey, terrorism analyst. roger, want you to listen to something the boston police chief said yesterday on cbs, listen do what ed davis said. >> we have reason to believe based upon the evidence found at that scene, the explosions, the explosive...
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that helps law enforcement. if he can be encountered and talked to, he might be able to negotiate through a peaceful surrender. the older brother might have been -- we already know he had a suicide vest on and he charged the police. so look, this is not a common occurrence in america. a guy with a suicide bomb on charged the police. it's extremely unusual. so -- i mean, that's very different. so we know that he's alone now. we also know that when he came to the united states he was 8 years old. his family was seeking asylum. he didn't come here as some sort of radical -- he was 8 years old. >> he was on the wrestling team. >> wrestling team. right. you just interviewed his classmates. what a great interview. this guy was later radicalized and his brother probably played a key role in doing it and some on the internet and maybe some other influences, both here and abroad. and i think that the terrorism analysts, the experts on that, like roger cressey, those kind of guys will be digging in that so deep, they will
that helps law enforcement. if he can be encountered and talked to, he might be able to negotiate through a peaceful surrender. the older brother might have been -- we already know he had a suicide vest on and he charged the police. so look, this is not a common occurrence in america. a guy with a suicide bomb on charged the police. it's extremely unusual. so -- i mean, that's very different. so we know that he's alone now. we also know that when he came to the united states he was 8 years old....
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the law enforcement people did much better job than i expected. i certainly did not expect on monday as we tried to digest this terrible crime that they would have gotten the two guys responsible so quickly. it's part of the problem we have in america. can we take a moment to say isn't it good that it worked out this well, that combined law enforcement, federal, state, and local got together? instead there's this need to fight about things, some of which i say are not terribly significant. as far as the demand that he be treated as an enemy combatant. that's like, gee, let me get on television and put on a reflex that's a bit premature and also baseless. >> you look at the post-9/11 world and the things that changed in this country, some of them independently, some of them as a matter of congressional action. and i think this will raise some other questions that congress will debate, one of which will have to do with the budget and how in a time when fewer dollars are available and they're making decisions about how they should be apportioned, how
the law enforcement people did much better job than i expected. i certainly did not expect on monday as we tried to digest this terrible crime that they would have gotten the two guys responsible so quickly. it's part of the problem we have in america. can we take a moment to say isn't it good that it worked out this well, that combined law enforcement, federal, state, and local got together? instead there's this need to fight about things, some of which i say are not terribly significant. as...
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law enforcement wants to enter on their own time and take their time. they don't want to do a tactical entry unless they have no other choice for fear that somebody could get hurt to include this young man and people in law enforcement. >> we have former agent james cavanaugh with us. james, if you are with us, we have three crime scenes as clint has been talking about. that is part of the mosaic. what would your strategy bes we enter in? what is more or less hour 13 of what started yesterday? >> i agree with everything clint said and if i was commanding the tactical operation and trying to negotiate with the guy and the major talka thon. the negotiators really do want him to come out on his own. there is humanity here. we want him to surrounder. he is the guy with the information. we talked to roger about the community and all that information. he is exactly right. i agree with them. for the instant scene, you just have to get that information from him. >> thank you so much there for your perspective. james cavanaugh and kerry sanders has been watching
law enforcement wants to enter on their own time and take their time. they don't want to do a tactical entry unless they have no other choice for fear that somebody could get hurt to include this young man and people in law enforcement. >> we have former agent james cavanaugh with us. james, if you are with us, we have three crime scenes as clint has been talking about. that is part of the mosaic. what would your strategy bes we enter in? what is more or less hour 13 of what started...
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law. the united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams is live with us right now. i know you've been reviewing these charges. what's the latest on what you've uncovered? >> it is a fairly interesting sequence of things that the government cites here as evidence. first of all they say that there was a surveillance tape that shows what apparently is the second suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev, the man in the hospital, placing the bomb at the second bombing. this is unrelated picture to what i'm talking about now. but this is the person we're talking about. but the surveillance tape was taken at the scene of the second bombing. you may recall that there was a restaurant there called the foreign restaurant. they say a surveillance camera there shows him walking up to the restaurant with his backpack
law. the united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams is live with us right now. i know you've been reviewing these charges. what's the latest on what you've uncovered? >> it is a fairly interesting sequence of things that the government cites here as evidence. first of all they say...
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law enforcement suggests they've been through about 80% of that. we are looking for a needle in a haystack. and look, we know his brother took a lot of hits in the gunfight with law enforcement last night before he was killed. you might suggest that this 19-year-old man we're looking for, he may have been hit, too. so he could have crawled under a building someplace. he could be barricaded inside of a house somewhere by himself, or holding a hostage, or he may, just may have been able to steal another car and our worst case scenario and get out of town. once law enforcement finishes this search of this 20 square block, then they have to regroup and figure out what cars have been stolen in the area that he might have used to get away from, or did we miss him and do we go back again? and, chris, i know we're going into the weekend, but how long do you keep a city like this bottled up and tell everybody to stay inside? >> well, is there any way of tracking besides basically hard target, i mean, just searching block by block, inch by inch, going throug
law enforcement suggests they've been through about 80% of that. we are looking for a needle in a haystack. and look, we know his brother took a lot of hits in the gunfight with law enforcement last night before he was killed. you might suggest that this 19-year-old man we're looking for, he may have been hit, too. so he could have crawled under a building someplace. he could be barricaded inside of a house somewhere by himself, or holding a hostage, or he may, just may have been able to steal...
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you know, what do they do when the law enforcement -- what does the fugitive do when law enforcement put their pictures out? we've done it many times over the years. you don't have choices, fight, flight or surrender. they fight, they fly or surrender. what do these guys do? fight and flight. they can't even decide to do. >> right. >> they're so discombobulated by the fact law enforcement is now on their tail. they're fighting and they're fleeing. their plans were all messed up. >> when you look at their psychology, you talked just now about the distinction between individuals prepared to lay bombs then ratcheting that up to actually strapping a vest on with an explosive. what about the distinction between a willingness to kill ordinary members of the public then actually murder police officers? because we know that a police officer at m.i.t. was murdered last night and they shot at another and he's currently in hospital. >> right. last night they were just in such a mode of escape and mission and suicide that who knows what they were going to do. they didn't even know what they were
you know, what do they do when the law enforcement -- what does the fugitive do when law enforcement put their pictures out? we've done it many times over the years. you don't have choices, fight, flight or surrender. they fight, they fly or surrender. what do these guys do? fight and flight. they can't even decide to do. >> right. >> they're so discombobulated by the fact law enforcement is now on their tail. they're fighting and they're fleeing. their plans were all messed up....
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the sister-in-law and brother-in-l brother-in-law? >> the brother-in-law apparently spent most of his time at college, so it is unclear at this point what their relationship was. >> now, what's the fbi -- is sense ny way of knowing what of smell about her? when so many of these cases i've watched through history where somebody does something, of a submersive nature, and the spouse does get targeted for the investigation -- and sometimes incriminated, is there any sense in the behavior of the authorities what their view is of her role of innocence or guilt here? >> you know, like i said earlier, you know, they're asking to interview her. they obviously want to talo her. she was married to him. her lawyer says she is cooperating. as to whether or not they've actually spoken or not, it's unclear. they do obviously want to talk to her. >> i'm waiting to see a report when we find out. that's big news when they sbe t interrogate her. >>> coming up, another day, another republican with an offensive ethnic slur. these guys live in isolation b
the sister-in-law and brother-in-l brother-in-law? >> the brother-in-law apparently spent most of his time at college, so it is unclear at this point what their relationship was. >> now, what's the fbi -- is sense ny way of knowing what of smell about her? when so many of these cases i've watched through history where somebody does something, of a submersive nature, and the spouse does get targeted for the investigation -- and sometimes incriminated, is there any sense in the...
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but in a post 9/11 world, we've always said if your community law enforcement, the community of law enforcement, political figures ask you to do certain things, listen carefully and do them. they've complied. and you look at these two individuals, you use one part of the family, use assimilation, it worked well. here, almost chameleon-like, one only knows what dented their hearts, what dented their heads, what ideological impulse drove them to this. but i think it sends a signal to all of us that these weren't necessarily sophisticated terrorists, no it will a grand design orchestrated from overseas, they may be amateurs, but they're lethal amateurs. unfortunately, that's the kind of reality we're going to be dealing with for quite some time. >> david gregory, the administration, according to chuck todd, there was a previously scheduled national security council meeting today. we know secretary of state kerry was meeting with his mexican counterpart. and at this hour, to all of you google hangout fans he and i were supposed to be in a moderated conversation right now and they had to postpone th
but in a post 9/11 world, we've always said if your community law enforcement, the community of law enforcement, political figures ask you to do certain things, listen carefully and do them. they've complied. and you look at these two individuals, you use one part of the family, use assimilation, it worked well. here, almost chameleon-like, one only knows what dented their hearts, what dented their heads, what ideological impulse drove them to this. but i think it sends a signal to all of us...
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and that's what law enforcement is going to determine. there could be individuals who knew them, knew of them but had no reason to believe that they were going to do anything violent. those are some of the most pressing questions right now. so i mean there's three categories here -- the first is bring tsarnaev to justice, hopefully alive. identify any additional packages that could be ieds in the greater boston area. and then third, identify any individuals, other potential suspects or people of interest they just want to question. to understand what the broader conspiracy might have been. >> nbc news terrorism analyst, roger cressey. thanks for your time. >>> i want to bring in nbc's michael isikoff. who is with us in watertown. michael, we were seeing some helicopter activity in the skies over there. we know that there is a no-fly zone over much of boston. the city is on lockdown. can you give us an update? >> exactly, alex. for about the last 15 minutes we've had military style helicopters circling above us here. this is where we are i
and that's what law enforcement is going to determine. there could be individuals who knew them, knew of them but had no reason to believe that they were going to do anything violent. those are some of the most pressing questions right now. so i mean there's three categories here -- the first is bring tsarnaev to justice, hopefully alive. identify any additional packages that could be ieds in the greater boston area. and then third, identify any individuals, other potential suspects or people...
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he has instructed law enforcement officials, federal law enforcement officials, to continue to ask that question and try to get an answer to that question. you know, it's interesting historians will undoubtedly sort of debate the president's reaction and response to the boston bombings, much as they did with president george w. bush after september 11th, but what we saw yesterday in the white house was the president and his team really trying to keep pace with those quickly evolving events yesterday out of boston. the president noticeably staying out of public view. we didn't hear from white house press secretary jay carney yesterday. that because they didn't want to come and comment on this situation because there were so many unknowns and because it was developing and evolving so quickly. so, president obama, we finally saw him last night, but i can tell you throughout the day he was being briefed, he had a big briefing with his entire national security team in the morning. then again at about 4:00, he spoke with some of his top advisers, placed phone calls to governor deval patrick a
he has instructed law enforcement officials, federal law enforcement officials, to continue to ask that question and try to get an answer to that question. you know, it's interesting historians will undoubtedly sort of debate the president's reaction and response to the boston bombings, much as they did with president george w. bush after september 11th, but what we saw yesterday in the white house was the president and his team really trying to keep pace with those quickly evolving events...
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n this care the law specifically includes explosives, so a bomb is for the purposes of federal law, a weapon of mass destruction. now, he will be charged with using that the normal punishment for using one is life in prison but if death results, as it did here, three people killed in the marathon, then the government could seek the death penalty. >> when do they expect to start questioning the suspect? >> you know, the best word i have on that is not going to be today, could be tomorrow, dippeds on how he is doing. i don't have a very good idea of his medical condition but i guess the feeling is that it's not as bad as some have said. he can speak. but that perhaps it's not ready -- not time to start questioning him yet. but the charges could still come today. they can charge him and then the questioning and the charging are independent at this phase. >> talk to me a little bit more about this unique group that's actually going to be conducting the interrogation. >> well, in the first phase, what the government will do here is invoke something called the public safety exception. any
n this care the law specifically includes explosives, so a bomb is for the purposes of federal law, a weapon of mass destruction. now, he will be charged with using that the normal punishment for using one is life in prison but if death results, as it did here, three people killed in the marathon, then the government could seek the death penalty. >> when do they expect to start questioning the suspect? >> you know, the best word i have on that is not going to be today, could be...
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citizenship as far as the law is concerned? >> no, i don't think it would make any difference at all, because when this occurred and when the action occurred, when the crime occurred, and when the refusal, if you will, to read him his miranda rights occurred he was a citizen. so i don't think that would matter at all. >> all right, fred. >> christopher, this is fredricka in atlanta. i'm wondering, given you defended timothy mcveigh, oklahoma city bombing case, are you seeing any parallels between this case and that which you defended? >> well, there's certainly some parallels because you have the explosions and this wasn't -- fortunately, wasn't as devastating as the oklahoma city bombing was. but the trial is going to be as difficult, i believe, as the oklahoma city bombing. when you have to get in and get experts and bombing experts and people to help you learn how to blow up a bomb, build a bomb and clean up a bomb, that takes an extensive amount of time and a lot of expertise. whoever ends up defending this man is going to
citizenship as far as the law is concerned? >> no, i don't think it would make any difference at all, because when this occurred and when the action occurred, when the crime occurred, and when the refusal, if you will, to read him his miranda rights occurred he was a citizen. so i don't think that would matter at all. >> all right, fred. >> christopher, this is fredricka in atlanta. i'm wondering, given you defended timothy mcveigh, oklahoma city bombing case, are you seeing...
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law enforcement went door to door. after the standoff, we spoke to neighbors. this is one of the houses where police were combing through the neighborhood looking for the suspect. this is eddie's house. he took us through what it was like when s.w.a.t. teams came through. >> they came in, searched the living room area, the dining room. went through all of the bedrooms, bathrooms, kitchen ar area. >> they search cabinets and things like that. >> >> no, no cabinets or anything like that, but they went through the bedrooms, closet doors and made their way to the back door. >> he showed his own footage of the s.w.a.t. team combing his house. during these moments, they didn't knowhere tsarnaev was or if he was carrying explosives on his body. >> knowing they had him surrounded and so close to our neighborhood, it made us think he might have been here at nighttime and they kind of flushed him out into that area. >> vivian stevens also lives very close to the house where tsarnaev was cornered. how do you feel now that it's over? >> it's surreal, i think i'm numb. i do
law enforcement went door to door. after the standoff, we spoke to neighbors. this is one of the houses where police were combing through the neighborhood looking for the suspect. this is eddie's house. he took us through what it was like when s.w.a.t. teams came through. >> they came in, searched the living room area, the dining room. went through all of the bedrooms, bathrooms, kitchen ar area. >> they search cabinets and things like that. >> >> no, no cabinets or...